tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post1312129760909338037..comments2024-03-15T02:55:43.872+00:00Comments on Roundwood's World: Thirty Years War in 2mm - An Update for Patient ReadersSidney Roundwoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03440705981976797774noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-38747122796396430022017-12-05T20:20:10.496+00:002017-12-05T20:20:10.496+00:00Thanks Charles!! Something else for us to have a ...Thanks Charles!! Something else for us to have a think about. I'm not sure any of the armies in the Thirty Years War had the ferocious discipline of one of Frederick The Great's forces. There are some parts of 'Pallas Armata' dealing with discipline - so I'll have a look back at those for you. Thanks again!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-70530272699914462282017-12-05T20:17:12.604+00:002017-12-05T20:17:12.604+00:00Thanks Geordie - one of the best things about 2mm ...Thanks Geordie - one of the best things about 2mm as a scale is the ability to try and capture that grand tactical dimension of the battlefield, and create some truly scary flanks!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-18998117858389649152017-12-05T20:12:38.996+00:002017-12-05T20:12:38.996+00:00Hi Graham, thanks so much for the comment, and sor...Hi Graham, thanks so much for the comment, and sorry for not responding sooner. I don't have the Lothar Koch book - so if you've a spare copy, I'd love to borrow it. My email address is on my Blogger profile page - so drop me an email sometime and I can ping you the postage costs! Very best regards!! Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-13327461606418642752017-11-30T21:20:49.103+00:002017-11-30T21:20:49.103+00:00I love the effect you have created in 2mm
Brillian...I love the effect you have created in 2mm<br />Brilliant it gives a great sense of scale!Geordie an Exiled FoGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01002743056274635657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-44962242261679175552017-11-22T10:48:42.444+00:002017-11-22T10:48:42.444+00:00Sidney, Do you have the Lothar Koch book on the 30...Sidney, Do you have the Lothar Koch book on the 30 years war? More of a social history perhaps but very useful on trends. If you would like it let me know.<br />Best<br />Graham KnightGrahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17169513669656911305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-9080734881706805612017-11-21T14:02:25.353+00:002017-11-21T14:02:25.353+00:00Hi Sid,
Could the concept of disciple and motivat...Hi Sid,<br /><br />Could the concept of disciple and motivation in the 30 Years War be what Frederick said of it 100 or so years later that "Soldiers should fear their officers more than the enemy"?<br /><br />Wallenstein seems to have been rather draconian, others might have also. Though later credited to the Prussians this idea might have been dominant in the earlier forces. Commanders clearly read and learned from the past by this time. Roman decimation for poor performance for example? Wallenstein executing men after Lutzen? Charles Eckarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17036846137544912470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-40821070545146494292017-11-20T12:51:50.959+00:002017-11-20T12:51:50.959+00:00Thanks A.P.!!Thanks A.P.!!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-28444047924073248762017-11-20T12:51:39.196+00:002017-11-20T12:51:39.196+00:00Thanks Charles. And thanks for leaving us a great...Thanks Charles. And thanks for leaving us a great question to think about. <br /><br />Discipline and Leadership are definitely themes which contemporaries considered in the 17th Century military manuals, although from a slightly different perspective than we might think of those attributes today. For example, "Pallas Armata" is filled with exhortations for generals to follow the examples of classical generals (Hannibal, Scipio, Caesar), alongside some instructions and advice on more 'modern', contemporary leadership.<br /><br />"Motivation" is far more nuanced. I'd like to return to that idea in a future post, if I may, using some examples from the manuals from the 17th Century. It's a very interesting question.<br /><br />Thanks again, Charles. And, I'll be in touch here to revisit your points in a week or so.Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-32666234205516137362017-11-20T12:45:28.103+00:002017-11-20T12:45:28.103+00:00Iain, that's a wonderful entry for the period ...Iain, that's a wonderful entry for the period for anyone (and a great shout-out to public libraries everywhere). I think as a wargamer's reference book, it's hard to think of a better, visual starting point than Eduard Wagners' "European Weapons and Warfare 1618 - 1648". Really a lovely book in every respect. Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-56917377375976434922017-11-20T12:43:05.112+00:002017-11-20T12:43:05.112+00:00Thanks very much, Michael!Thanks very much, Michael!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-4649922655040087992017-11-20T12:42:48.946+00:002017-11-20T12:42:48.946+00:00Thank you, Robert. The winter terrain theme was a...Thank you, Robert. The winter terrain theme was a big lure of 2mm for me. It was much easier to take the plunge in a winter project in a separate scale than start collecting 28mm winter terrain (although, maybe one day I'll give that a go, also).Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-54243681038089892962017-11-20T12:41:17.916+00:002017-11-20T12:41:17.916+00:00Thanks so much, Curt, and for all your great suppo...Thanks so much, Curt, and for all your great support with this project. <br /><br />Breitenfeld in 2mm would be wonderful to see - and the comparative lengths of the armies' frontages (which several contemporaries ascribed to Tilly's defeat) is eminently possible to recreate in 2mm scale.Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-63256033082546052782017-11-20T12:39:07.208+00:002017-11-20T12:39:07.208+00:00Thanks very much for dropping by! I have seen &qu...Thanks very much for dropping by! I have seen "Alatriste", or as it is titled in the UK, "The Spanish Musketeer". I think it's a film which is beautiful to look at, but maybe suffers from taking elements from the books without focusing on its own narrative. It seemed a bit disjointed as a result (but still wonderful to look at and watch).<br /><br />Rocroi is a classic battle from the period, and one which you would hopefully be able to recreate with the rules. Both the Spanish and French armies in the field were of considerable size, but in 6mm, or 2mm, you could certainly reduce the formations and the troops involved to a manageable collection which (at least in 2mm) would not take long to paint.Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-40356856434100734852017-11-20T12:34:34.753+00:002017-11-20T12:34:34.753+00:00You'll be right at the top of the list, Ray!You'll be right at the top of the list, Ray!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-15656597452564678682017-11-20T12:34:16.089+00:002017-11-20T12:34:16.089+00:00Thanks so much, Ed, for all your enthusiastic comm...Thanks so much, Ed, for all your enthusiastic comments! We are trying to drill back down to the original literature where we can - simply on the basis that its harder to discount what contemporaries wrote (or seem to have thought) about the battles in which they fought. <br /><br />It will hopefully give the final rules a lot of period colour - although they might not recreate quite be the same battlefield as we think we know well !Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-37976179644245265512017-11-20T12:31:11.410+00:002017-11-20T12:31:11.410+00:00Ha!! I'm sure Curt will do.... my bits might ...Ha!! I'm sure Curt will do.... my bits might be distinctly wobbly, though, Nick !! ;)Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-2230902237686122502017-11-20T12:30:30.884+00:002017-11-20T12:30:30.884+00:00Great to hear from you, Rattlesnake. The Scanian ...Great to hear from you, Rattlesnake. The Scanian Wars would be perfect in 2mm, and you could certainly extend the colour palate I've used to Lund (for example). You could re-create Danish and Swedish armies very reasonably for the period using 2mm. Let me know how you get on!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-5391010770388348512017-11-20T12:28:42.339+00:002017-11-20T12:28:42.339+00:00Thanks so much, Christopher!Thanks so much, Christopher!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-32226356007369060382017-11-20T12:28:20.622+00:002017-11-20T12:28:20.622+00:00Thanks you, Sir!Thanks you, Sir!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-19096731188450945342017-11-20T12:28:05.961+00:002017-11-20T12:28:05.961+00:00Part of the thinking was to try and fit an iconic ...Part of the thinking was to try and fit an iconic battle in the space you might normally take up for a 28mm skirmish game. So, hopefully, we did that...Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-82646342171018593222017-11-20T12:27:01.679+00:002017-11-20T12:27:01.679+00:00Thanks Peter, I'm hoping that I can blog more ...Thanks Peter, I'm hoping that I can blog more on the game in the not too distant future!Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-26996723150344646482017-11-20T12:25:40.725+00:002017-11-20T12:25:40.725+00:00Thanks very much, Phil. I doubt that, on the day ...Thanks very much, Phil. I doubt that, on the day of the battle, Lutzen was blazing with quite the intensity of the fires I modelled, but I think that the flames stand out well and bring a bit of height to the terrain.Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-1481891400118506912017-11-20T12:24:23.787+00:002017-11-20T12:24:23.787+00:00Thanks so much, Michael! So pleased you're en...Thanks so much, Michael! So pleased you're enjoying it so far.Sidney Roundwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14795563060856586670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-39023244943671278762017-11-17T11:46:45.452+00:002017-11-17T11:46:45.452+00:00Great stuff. Thanks for sharing!Great stuff. Thanks for sharing!A.P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04557979425409883713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3279786472578722137.post-66413530657090780962017-11-15T16:37:55.475+00:002017-11-15T16:37:55.475+00:00Hi Sid, good to hear that the project is coming al...Hi Sid, good to hear that the project is coming along well. Nice pics too.<br /><br />I imagine that discipline, motivation, and leadership would as in all periods matter. Could this be what contemporary writers don't mention? Did they leave these details up to drill manuals?<br /><br />I remember reading somewhere that the Swedish "Old Blue's" were so used to winning that they had forgotten how to retreat. Probably also true of the Spanish(less so their allied)tercios. The Spanish were for long the army that all others were measured against.<br /><br />Great project. Charles Eckarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17036846137544912470noreply@blogger.com